Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: looking good
could you let me know which URL am I advertising then. Is it the original one that links to my original missions number.
a little confused on that issue.
Wow, That's going to take a lot of work for the software to double the matrix on a daily basis. Can that REALLY be done?
Also, the math is quite something... who figured this out? Just curious...
Here's a question - How long do you think it will take to actually earn $74 to go into the other programs if say, no one sponsors?
Well, I guess the bottom line here is that you'll pay $11 a month for what may turn out to be some very effective advertising for your "other" program or more importantly for your "self", after all it's not the program that can guarantee anyone's success, but rather you and your marketing methods.
I believe that what we have here can be very effective and very attractive for ANYONE using traffic exchanges and that alone makes it worth $11 a month. I believe what Joseph is offering is quite amazing.
My advise is to take FULL advantage of this "opportunity" to build yourself and your credibility as a professional Internet marketer with something very valuable to offer others, (a very effective marketing system that even has its own "opportunity"), and whatever program you're passionate about. _________________
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Fisher
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Ok, i only figured how long it would take for my position, but with the entire TEAM rejoining every day, everyone should be within a week of my time frame.
It will take a TEAM of 1800 members, rejoining every day, 56 days to get me to $74. so depending on the size of the TEAM, more or less days, lol
Just to let you all know, within 15 hours of last nights launch time, we have added over 100 TEAM members!
Keep up the great job TEAM! Each new person you bring in and get them to do at least 9 of the missions, is extra money in your pocket!
And every new member you bring in benefits the entire TEAM. Real, active members, dont buy gauranteed sign ups, they are a waste of time and money, we want real people.
michael _________________
World Leader Hawley
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Ok, i only figured how long it would take for my position, but with the entire TEAM rejoining every day, everyone should be within a week of my time frame.
It will take a TEAM of 1800 members, rejoining every day, 56 days to get me to $74. so depending on the size of the TEAM, more or less days, lol
I recently went through a similar analysis, assuming 10,000 members (because I hate math, and that simplified things quite a bit). The people at the bottom of that matrix, after 80 days, had about $4.26 earned (at 1 cent earned per position under your original position and your earned positions).
The matrix widens faster than the linear increase of positions, at least if I'm understanding the way this is going to work (each day we add a number of positions equal to the number of members, assuming everyone reviews their three sites).
I'm not trying to bash the program, by any means, but like any MLM it won't go quickly for the people at the bottom.
Seems like there'd be enough money floating around to increase the 1 cent per position earned, to help speed things up, especially since it's a one-time payment. Or perhaps structure payments in a more traditional way, getting more for positions that are closer to you to qualify for the other programs earlier, down to 1 cent at level 15.
But then, I wasn't around for the original discussion that setup that structure, so there are probably factors I'm not aware of. Or I might have screwed up in my calculations somewhere, too.
Or I might have screwed up in my calculations somewhere, too.
Which, in fact, did happen. I under-calculated the effect of the added positions earned through surfing. I don't have time to redo the calculations right now, but will to make sure I understand how it all will work.
Okay, I've had another go at calculating what people at the bottom of the matrix can expect. My assumptions are that every member visits their 3 sites a day to get a new position, and that each position earns 1 cent one time for every new position placed under it.
To make the math easier I assume 3,200 members. This is close to what we have now, and avoids partial levels (if we fudge numbers here and there). Here's an excerpt from the analysis:
Quote:
Let's look at it from the position of one of the people at the bottom of the matrix. I'll assume only about 3,200 members. The bottom of the overall matrix would have 2,187 people in it.
Level 8 has about 6,500 positions in it. It takes the membership two days to fill it, earning the positions on level 7 $.03. Everyone also gets two more positions, these on level 8.
Level 9 has nearly 20,000 positions in it, taking about 7 days to fill. The original level 7 position earns 9 cents, and each of the 2 level 8 positions earns 3 cents, for a total of 15 cents. Each member also earns an additional 7 positions on level 9.
Level 10 has almost 60,000 positions in it. It takes 19 days to fill. The level 7 position gets 27 cents, the 2 level 8 positions get 9 cents each, and the 7 level 9 positions earn 3 cents each. The total earned this level is 72 cents. Everyone also gets another 19 positions on level 10.
Level 11 has almost 180,000 positions in it. Assuming nobody else comes in from the outside, it takes 57 days to fill. The original position on level 7 gets 81 cents, the 2 level 8 positions get 27 cents each, the 7 level 9 positions get 9 cents each, and the 19 level 10 positions get 3 cents each. Total is $2.28. Everyone also gets another 57 positions on level 11.
Level 12 has over 530,000 people in it and will take 166 days to fill completely. The original position gets $2.43, the 2 level 8 positions 81 cents each, the 7 level 9 positions 27 cents each, the 19 level 10 positions 9 cents each, and the 57 level 11 positions 3 cents each. The total for this level is $9.36. Everyone also gets another 166 positions on level 12.
That makes a total income after 251 days of $12.54.
So I had miscalculated before, but wasn't off by much. The main problem is that the matrix widens geometrically, while positions are added linearly (the same problem any MLM has when it gets too deep).
People in the first levels of the matrix will qualify for the four paid programs quickly, but the bottom levels of the matrix will take quite some time, unless I've screwed up the calculations again somewhere or gotten details of how it'll all work wrong.
Hi Jay, i looked at your numbers and i think you are close if not dead on.
I think the real difference is that we will be adding members along the way. We are averaging about 150 new sign ups every day. So assume only 1000 new people join every month, a mere 33 a day average.
I didnt do the numbers but i have a headache tonight. I think adding people every month is what will make this really pop.
michael _________________
World Leader Hawley
Forum Moderator
Hi,
Thank you for the calculations - my brain could not process it at all.
We also have the matching referral bonuses to take into account. I have 15 recruits so hoping 10 of those will join the exchange. So I am promoting on their behalf now. If we can get them some referrals instead of keeping them all ourselves they will earn more, be happier, recruit more themselves and stay with us. That is my theory anyway. I do not track my ads so not sure if it was my advertising or theirs but have at least 5 members that have recruits of their own so will be earning at least double.
Best wishes, _________________
World Leader
Diane Cooke
I had a thought. Since the traffic exchange is supposed to be a feeder into the other programs how about we set a limit (either time or number of members) then pause and flip it before starting again.
The top members will have earned enough to get into the other programs and can use their $11 a month to help others. The middle people should still be able to maintain their positions. The bottom people would then see their earnings boosted and see a reason to continue.
If we managed to keep the referral bonuses as they were although the recruits will now be above the sponsors after the flip a lot of members will be earning similar amounts as the bottom people will be the ones with recruits. Anyway, they will be earning from the 4 other programs and be at the top of those. We could flip again after another length of time or recruitment level. I was thinking just flip the original starting positions not all of the ones earned from surfing. Then start again.
There will be some people that will have almost reached the $74 level and we could use the team advertising pool to give them a free advance into the other programs so that they don't feel agrieved. They will be the middle members. I was thinking of those people that had reached $70+ but that would depend how many it was and could be voted on later.
New members would always be loaded at the bottom.
We would have several months to look into this, vote and get it sorted before it would need to be implemented but would give everybody something to look forward to after this launch.
I don't know how difficult the programming would be. It would mean a pause in the traffic exchange program whilst people were reloaded perhaps over Christmas or choose a 5 week month. _________________
World Leader
Diane Cooke
Hi,
We also have the matching referral bonuses to take into account.
Thanks for the reminder! I had forgotten about the matching bonus. The original question was about what would happen if nobody sponsored, so my analysis works there.
But more realistically, the people who do the missions will sponsor at least a few just through traffic exchange traffic, so the numbers will need adjusted for that effect over time.
Plus, as Michael mentions, the team as a whole is recruiting, and that will affect the earnings.
I had a thought. Since the traffic exchange is supposed to be a feeder into the other programs how about we set a limit (either time or number of members) then pause and flip it before starting again.
Perhaps rather than flipping the matrix, we can cycle people to the bottom as they qualify for the other programs? They'll lose their benefit from being on the top, but will still get the matching bonuses and continue to earn from their extra positions.
That still moves people up in the matrix, but preserves the order in which they joined PoaD as the order in which they qualify for the other programs.
I’m not sure if flipping the matrix or putting people at the bottom once the have cycled their $74 will solve the overall problem. I’m no expert on how matrix programs work or how commissions are calculated so I apologise if I have misunderstood how the traffic exchange will fill up or the time it will take.
But my concerns concentrate around people who join on the lower levels of the matrix such as level 13. Even if there are 20,000 active members in the POAD Team, (which is our target), each earning an extra position each day. It will still take around 7 months to fill level 14 and a further 23 months to fill level 15. Can we realistically expect people to stick around for a couple of years paying their $11 month to get their 1st 2 levels filled?
My basic understanding of any MLM program is, and for the sake of this example we will say it’s a 3X15 matrix. If I join and refer 3 and they do the same and refer 3 and so on (i.e., duplication). That the speed of the matrix filling up is dictated by how quickly everyone refers their 3. Because that’s the basic fundamental of MLM, that everybody is responsible for finding their 3 and filling their 1st level. Obviously as we know in reality that doesn’t happen.
And this is where my concern lies, because as we are earning an extra position each day by surfing our 3 sites we are contributing to the overall problem, because we are ignoring the basic fundamental. That each position is going to need 3 positions to fill its 1st level and this is why as the matrix fills its going to take longer and longer to fill the bottom level.
A possible solution could be forced re-entries. Each position will have 3 forced re-entries once commissions allow. This would solve the problem and help speed up the time it takes to fill the bottom level because each position will address the basic fundamental of finding its 3 through forced re-entry.
Again I apologise if I’ve got some things wrong as I said I’m no expert on the workings of a matrix.
Your concerns about the amount of time it takes to break even for late joiners are valid. Some MLM programs avoid this by allowing you to break even when your first level is filled.
I suspect that won't work here, because of the earned positions being added. No new money is coming into the system, but more positions are taking money out of the system.
Forced re-entries might be nice, because that does put money back into the system. It only really helps if they review the extra 3 sites for each re-entered position to help grow the matrix, though. I'm not sure how much time the 3 site review will take each day.
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